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		<title>Saying polyamory is all about sex is simply faulty logic</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lucius Scribbens</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[All relationships are about sex to some extent. But to apply that aspect to only polyamory is simply faulty logic. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='wpfblike' style='height: 40px;'><fb:like href='http://www.bigger-love.com/2011/08/saying-polyamory-is-all-about-sex-is-simply-faulty-logic/' layout='button_count' show_faces='false' width='400' action='recommend' colorscheme='light' send='false' /></div><!-- Start Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><!-- End Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><p>Whenever general society talks about polyamory and other multiple relationship styles they always focus on the sex part as if plural relationships are all about the sex.</p>
<p>However, aren&#8217;t most relationships in the Western world about sex? We&#8217;re brought-up from the day we&#8217;re born being told that the only legitimate sex is sex between a married couple. Sex is dangled in front of us as the reward for getting married. So we have people getting married before they are ready just to legitimatize the sex they are having, or want to have, with someone else. And the two biggest issues behind the ensuing divorce? Sex and money differences.</p>
<p>So people get married for sex and divorced because of it also. Yet the anti-plural relationship folk never see the hypocrisy in their beliefs. The fact that what brought them together in a monogamous relationship (at least it is for a while) was the lust goggles blurring their clear view of the other person. And as time goes on and the lust subsides and real life sets-in, they all of a sudden realize that other than parts that fit together they have nothing in common, and the fights ensue with every little thing the other person does annoying the hell out them.</p>
<p>So yes, <strong>all</strong> relationships are about sex to some extent. To apply that aspect to only polyamory is simply faulty logic.</p>
<p>NOTE: As a response to comments from others I thought I should clarify the meaning of this post; many thought it was about polyfuckery. However, <a title="Woman with husband and lover wants one big happy family" href="http://news.yahoo.com/woman-husband-lover-wants-one-big-happy-family-063203234.html" target="_blank">Dear Abby answered a question about polyamory this week</a> and the responses to this person&#8217;s relationship choice were nauseating, if not common and stereotypical amongst general society. Being a woman who is married and also has a male partner living with them, the comments ranged from &#8220;slut&#8221; to &#8220;her husband must not be a man because she needs someone else to satisfy her&#8221;. The usual stuff by those that are insecure and thus threatened by and judgmental of other&#8217;s relationships that don&#8217;t look exactly like their own. The root of the issue being that the reason they are not monogamous is because of sex. This it got me thinking, and thinking, and I don&#8217;t think this subject is done yet. Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>Not having sex with your partner? They&#8217;re cheating!</title>
		<link>http://www.bigger-love.com/2011/02/not-having-sex-with-your-partner-theyre-cheating/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lucius Scribbens</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Monogamy]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought about this. In my experience I've always got more sex from my partner when they are fucking other people, whether they were cheating or in an open-relationship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='wpfblike' style='height: 40px;'><fb:like href='http://www.bigger-love.com/2011/02/not-having-sex-with-your-partner-theyre-cheating/' layout='button_count' show_faces='false' width='400' action='recommend' colorscheme='light' send='false' /></div><!-- Start Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><!-- End Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><p>I was listening to the Radio from Hell morning show on KXRK this morning and they were doing their &#8220;Painful Circle&#8221; where the show hosts and a guest dole-out relationship advice to those that call-in. One caller wanted to know how to get her husband to have more sex with her because he just wasn&#8217;t interested and they go months between doing the deed. Of course one of the questions that comes-up is: &#8220;Do you think he&#8217;s cheating on you?&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought about this. In my experience I&#8217;ve always got more sex from my partner when they are fucking other people, whether they were cheating (in 20/20 hindsight) or in an open-relationship.</p>
<p>It seems the more you get, the more you want. The less you get the less it matters after a while.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Cowboys and Injuries: When monogamists pursue the polyamorous</title>
		<link>http://www.bigger-love.com/2010/07/cowboys-and-injuries-when-monogamists-pursue-the-polyamorous/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lucius Scribbens</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mistress Matisse has written a great article for the Seattle-based alternative weekly "The Stranger" about monogamist's pursuing polyamorous people. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='wpfblike' style='height: 40px;'><fb:like href='http://www.bigger-love.com/2010/07/cowboys-and-injuries-when-monogamists-pursue-the-polyamorous/' layout='button_count' show_faces='false' width='400' action='recommend' colorscheme='light' send='false' /></div><!-- Start Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><!-- End Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><p>Mistress Matisse has written a great article for the Seattle-based alternative weekly<strong> </strong><a title="The Stranger" href="http://www.thestranger.com/" target="_blank"><em><strong>The Stranger</strong></em></a> about monogamist&#8217;s pursuing polyamorous people.  With a small contingent of polyamory-minded people in most communities it is not uncommon for polyamorists to come in contact with, and become smitten with a monogamy-minded person. Unfortunately it doesn&#8217;t always work. Many monogamists feel they can &#8220;turn&#8221; the polyamorist to monogamy once they &#8220;see the light&#8221; of how great they are. But most of the time it comes down to jealousy and as Mistress Matisse says: &#8220;You need to quit fucking other people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here are some great quotes from the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>There&#8217;s a slang term used by polyamorous people:<em>cowboy</em>. Or <em>cowgirl</em>, as the case may be. It refers to a monogamous person who meets someone who openly identifies as polyamorous, becomes romantically involved with them, and attempts to &#8220;cut them out of the herd,&#8221; meaning: persuade them to <strong>sever existing relationships and embrace monogamy</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Viewed through a monogamist&#8217;s gaze, <strong>dropping your lasso on a wandering heart</strong> is the stuff of songs, literature, and drama.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>But I can promise you, if you&#8217;re poly and you&#8217;re involved with someone who&#8217;s not, <strong>once the hot sex cools off and reality sets in</strong>, every single problem that occurs in the relationship will somehow devolve to: You&#8217;re fucking other people&#8230; And when this romantic idyll ends—as it probably will—it&#8217;ll be just another example of how polyamory ruins relationships.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Dismissing people&#8217;s stated definitions of their sexuality as something you can make them change is not love. It&#8217;s just disrespectful, and it usually ends badly anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s the full article:</p>
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		<title>Bringing-up the topic of an open relationship to your partner</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lucius Scribbens</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[People understand you can have more than just one friend, even if you have a "best friend", but many have problems applying that same logic to romantic relationships.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='wpfblike' style='height: 40px;'><fb:like href='http://www.bigger-love.com/2010/07/bringing-up-the-topic-of-an-open-relationship-to-your-partner/' layout='button_count' show_faces='false' width='400' action='recommend' colorscheme='light' send='false' /></div><!-- Start Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><!-- End Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><h4>Opening-up a relationship won&#8217;t hurt a solid one, but it certainly won&#8217;t fix a broken one.</h4>
<p><img class="alignleft" title="couple talking" src="http://webb.nmu.edu/Centers/CounselingAndConsultation/Images/1CoupleTalking.jpg" alt="1CoupleTalking Bringing up the topic of an open relationship to your partner" width="268" height="179" /></p>
<p>I answered a question over on YourTango.com recently about a woman who wanted to open-up their relationship but didn&#8217;t know how to approach her husband with the idea.  This is a common issue, or more to the point, talking about any sexual fantasies is an issue regardless of how open anyone says the line of communication is with their partner.  So I thought I&#8217;d share my answer here, though this is just the tip of the iceberg about this subject.</p>
<h5>How do I talk to my partner about having an open relationship?</h5>
<p>Talking about sex is always difficult with someone you care about because more often than not their first response is &#8220;What?! I&#8217;m not enough?&#8221; or &#8220;What?! I&#8217;m not good enough for you?!&#8221;.  Or they are afraid if they express their fantasies their partner will think they are weird or perverted or worse.  And it doesn&#8217;t matter what it is.   Sometimes just instructing them on a way to please you better sets off their insecurities because they now feel that they don&#8217;t please you at all.</p>
<p>Because partners react like this enough of the time, people tend to not really discuss sexual needs and desires with them.  In my experience, even those that say they have good communication with their partner regarding their sexual needs and desires really don&#8217;t, and hold quite a bit back.</p>
<p>This is the reason that many people choose cheating through which to get their needs met.  In fact it&#8217;s always baffled me that people will be more honest about their sexual fantasies with complete strangers than they will with their partner.</p>
<p>My advice is to first, not bring this up before, during or immediately after sex.  It&#8217;s best to bring it up during non-sex time when rational, non-hormone driven conversation can happen (although I know many that the idea sounds hot when they&#8217;re horny but scares the Hell out of them when they&#8217;re not).</p>
<p>Second, start-off by saying something along the lines of &#8220;Honey, this doesn&#8217;t mean that you are a bad lover or that you don&#8217;t satisfy me, because oh my god, you do.&#8221; and &#8220;I feel I can talk to you about this because of the incredible relationship we have and the security that you offer me in it.&#8221;</p>
<p>From there explain that wanting an open relationship isn&#8217;t about finding a replacement for them, it&#8217;s adding on to the wonderful relationship you already have.  Because that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s all about right?  Successful open relationships are adding to an already great relationship, they aren&#8217;t about fixing anything or because your current relationship is unsatisfying in any way.  In fact those that use open relationships to fix their relationship almost always end-up broken-up.  Of course they were on the path to imploding anyways, having sex with others just accelerated the process.</p>
<p>This is a difficult concept for many to comprehend: that desiring to have a relationship, whether sexual or emotional and sexual in nature, doesn&#8217;t mean anything is wrong with or lacking in your current relationship.</p>
<p>Most people will tell you that they understand this concept when it comes to friends &#8211; you can have more than one friend even if you have a &#8220;best friend&#8221;, and having other friends in no way threatens your relationship with your BFF.  You don&#8217;t have other friends because your relationship with your BFF is unsatisfying or lacking.  You have other friends because they each add something different and interesting to your life.   Not any one friend is a replacement for another.</p>
<p>Yet, many people just can&#8217;t wrap their brain around the same concept when applied to romantic relationships &#8211; they think that there should be just a &#8220;one and only&#8221; and nobody else.  They feel that any other romantic relationship must be a replacement for the current one.</p>
<p>Bringing-up an open relationship of any kind is a delicate subject, so approach it with care and concern for your partner and let them know in no uncertain terms that they are the most important thing in the world to you and that you are not unhappy or dissatisfied with them in any way.   Tell them that nobody could ever replace what they are to you and their place in your life and that you are not looking for that, either. This is adding more to both of your lives.  Then be prepared to talk and talk and talk about this.  Also, be prepared that they most likely will want the same and you&#8217;ll have to deal with their other relationships, also.</p>
<p>On that note though, some of the people my wife and I have met together as well as some of our individual partners have become some of our best friends as a couple. This is an added benefit of open relationships.</p>
<p>There are some great resources on the web and in print for both of you.  Check-out<a title="Open: Love, Sex and Life in an Open Marriage" href="http://www.amazon.com/Open-Love-Sex-Life-Marriage/dp/1580052754?&amp;camp=212361&amp;linkCode=wey&amp;tag=biglov-20&amp;creative=380597" target="_blank"> Jenny Block&#8217;s book &#8220;Open: Love, Sex and Life in an Open Marriage&#8221;</a> and <a title="Opening Up: A Guide to Creating and Sustaining Open Relationships" href="http://www.amazon.com/Opening-Up-Creating-Sustaining-Relationships/dp/157344295X?&amp;camp=212361&amp;linkCode=wey&amp;tag=biglov-20&amp;creative=380597" target="_blank">Tristan Taormino&#8217;s &#8220;Opening Up: A Guide to Creating and Sustaining Open Relationships&#8221;</a> as well as Dossie Easton and Janet W. Hardy&#8217;s <a title="The Ethical Slut" href="http://www.amazon.com/Ethical-Slut-Practical-Relationships-Adventures/dp/1587613379?&amp;camp=212361&amp;linkCode=wey&amp;tag=biglov-20&amp;creative=380597" target="_blank">&#8220;The Ethical Slut: A Practical Guide to Polyamory, Open Relationships &amp; Other Adventures&#8221;</a>.  A good Internet resource is <a title="Polyamory? What, like two girlfriends?" href="http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html" target="_blank">Franklin Veaux&#8217;s site &#8220;Polyamory? What, like two girlfriends?&#8221;</a>.   Google it and you&#8217;ll find it quick.  Even if what you&#8217;re thinking isn&#8217;t swinging, The Swingers Board has a great section dedicated to posts by others and how they brought-up the subject to their partner, <a title="The Swingers Board - Bringing-up the topic to my partner" href="http://www.swingersboard.com/forums/bringing-up-topic-my-partner/" target="_blank">&#8220;Bringing up the topic to my partner&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Whether you are looking for romantic relationships or just sexual, all these resources will help in getting you successfully from here to there and to deal with any jealousy issues that come-up.</p>
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		<title>Clarifying cheating vs. polyamory and other open relationships</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lucius Scribbens</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the definitions of particular relationship matters and structures.  So in an effort to make the world a better place I hereby attempt to clarify things a little.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='wpfblike' style='height: 40px;'><fb:like href='http://www.bigger-love.com/2010/06/clarifying-cheating-vs-polyamory-and-other-open-relationships/' layout='button_count' show_faces='false' width='400' action='recommend' colorscheme='light' send='false' /></div><!-- Start Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><!-- End Shareaholic LikeButtonSetTop Automatic --><p>There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the definitions of particular relationship matters and structures.  So in an effort to make the world a better place I hereby attempt to clarify things a little.</p>
<p><strong><a title="Cheating" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating" target="_blank">Cheating</a></strong>: Cheating <strong>is an act of </strong><strong>lying</strong><strong>, </strong><strong>deception</strong><strong>, </strong><strong>fraud</strong><strong>, </strong><strong>trickery</strong><strong>, imposture, or imposition</strong>. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one&#8217;s own interest, and often at the expense of others. Cheating implies the <strong>breaking of </strong><strong>rules</strong>.</p>
<p><strong><a title="Open relationship" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_relationship" target="_blank">Open relationship</a></strong>: An open relationship is a committed relationship in which the partners are free to have emotional and/or physical relationships with other partners, often <strong>within mutually agreed limits</strong>. If a couple in an open relationship are married, it can be called an <a title="Open marriage" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_marriage" target="_blank">open marriage</a>.</p>
<p><strong><a title="Swinging" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging" target="_blank">Swinging</a></strong>: Swinging or <strong><span style="font-weight: normal;">partner swapping</span></strong> is a non-monogamous<span style="font-size: small;"><span> </span></span>behaviour, in which partners in a committed relationship <strong>agree, as a couple</strong>, for both partners to engage in sexual activities with other people.</p>
<p><strong><a title="Polyamory" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory" target="_blank">Polyamory</a></strong>: Polyamory is the practice, desire, or acceptance of having more than one intimate relationship at a time with the <strong>knowledge and </strong><strong>consent</strong><strong> of everyone involved.</strong></p>
<p>See the difference in the bolded print? &#8220;Deception&#8221; vs. &#8220;agreed upon with full knowledge and consent of all parties involved&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a big difference.</p>
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